I love them all (Vue 3 and Bryce), including Terragen. Each has there own take of the credit. As for Terragen, incase those who are not aware, the current version 8.++ is free and allows you to render up to 1028 x 768, registered it and you can render to any size in "Ultra". Comes to sun, atmosphere, terrain and water, IMHO - it beat the hell out of Vue and Bryce. Too bad it does not have Vue vegetation, len's flare effects, light rays etc....but looks like its gonna be a Vue 5 someday. E-on...hint, hint! :-) I am not promoting, but sharing. Bill