Long renders don't bother me cause I started using Bryce1 in 1994 on a Mac LC III - 16MHz/max RAM 10MB/40MB HD and sold for $2K (w/o monitor). Any render took hours and just adding water would make it a multi-day experiance. Poser 1's best preview mode (flat shaded at the time) could take a minute or more to update every move and a small render with one figure, AA and a background image could take over an hour! To me, having 2+ gig computers boogles my brain... Best - Dan