Aye, and you can definitely count on Corel to be silent about the whole topic... My guess is that Bryce 6 will be as radically different from 5 as Poser 5 is from the Pro Pack 4... Otherwise we'll probably all get sucked away by Curious Labs. Exponential innovation is the ticket, if NVidia can do it, why can't Corel? I'll email the guys at Corel and see if we can't put an end to this slander... (grins)