I've sold my pets for genetic testing, my kids are going to slave traders & my wife is going on the game just so I can get Poser 5. They don't know this yet but I'm sure they'll agree when I explain it to them :) If the renderer in Poser5 is going to be the best anywhere it would be nice to be able to export the atmospherics/shrubbery from Bryce & Vue to use in poser. Rob