My few comments...FWIW: I agree a lot of people who use Poser are hoppyists. maybe/probably the majority. CL has to ask themselves if their price will appeal to the hoppyist. And will it appeal to the people who have "profit" in mind but haven't yet reached that level...therefore are tentative about upgrading. Cheap software? I remember the story of Borland (and maybe older people reading will remember as well. He wanted to sell good cheap software. But people thought because it wasn't priced high, it wasn't good. And MS wiped their butt. Phillipe was a smart guy and ran a good company...but maybe that was their downfall. Pricing. Of course, they were also "fighting" MS...ugh! Ultimately, one needs to find out what Poser 5 offers before "throwing in the towel". I'll have to tip my hat to what some of the people in the know seem to know. Perhaps when all the info on P5 comes out in fact, perhaps people will understand why the price is as it is. Of course, if this rumored "greatness" fails to impress, P5 could fail to appeal to the masses. I'm sure CL has measured everything carefully. There! Mouth shut. Gonna go watch Witchblade with wifey. See ya in Hotlanta @ Renderosity-con...hehe.