Since we are all giving opinions... Another thing you guys should take into account, P4 was developed with the support/funding of MetaCreations. I know I do not know the terms of the spinoff, but I am sure Metacreations retained the majority of the revenues, including the fee that CL paid to buy the application. Poser 5 has been developed completely and totally by Curious Labs on their own nickle, mostly what was probably paid on upgrades and the like. The application IS changing and evolving. It IS moving a bit up the scale, offering features that in other apps cost significantly more (hair, cloth, mega-improved rendering). It is becoming an app that can truly be used for professional digital imaging. Many in the community are "basic" hobby-ists (no insult intended), who do this for fun. The basic higher price will unfortunately weed some of us out. Hopefully the final upgrade prices are compatible for most of the community. Some will be unable to migrate, which is a shame, but it is also basic economics. Curious Labs must recoup its investment in developing the product while getting a fair value for the product. The truly sad thing, at least as far as the US economy is concerned, is that CL will be releasing P5 later in the summer/early fall. With the way the stock market is going, and the economy may start following, many more casual users who would have been able to upgrade will find they have to divert their "play" money to more important expenses.