Well, Poser4 and the pro pack cost about $415. I wouldn't expect to have to pay much more than $150 for the P5 upgrade, otherwise, it was not a good idea to have recently purchased P4/pp. I recall in the original Kupa announcement or somewhere near there the notion that the upgrade would be price the best for the pro pack owners. At $250 it would have been far cheaper to wait and buy P5 outright. Several asked if they should wait. Guess they got bum advice. Now if I had owned P/PP since 99, I'd have to concede that I got good use of it over the years and that should come at some cost, but to have just bought it and end up paying MORE than a full copy kinda sux. Maybe CL will make a special offer to buyers within the last year, or maybe they will simply make a special offer for a limited time to any P4/pp owner who wants to upgrade right away. Lets wait and see. CL seems like a good company and I appreciate Kupa's thread giving us a taste of what is to come. And I agree that LW and the like are higher end, but they are also modelers with powerful render engines. They are different kinds of apps used in movie work and any kid that wants to get into movie work will know that LW/Universe/Softimage/Maya/etc are necessary skills for the big bucks. So there's no comparison there. But who knows, maybe someday there will be. $550 for P5 is $135 more than the P4/PP so I don't see that as a major issue, but the upgrade price does bother me.