well, you see how the site is with the blocks of grey interspaced with white lines? well, originally I had that as a frameset, with all the white lines as 2 pixel wide frames... you can see it here: www.darrinsden.com/frame.html Now in IE, it looked fine, but in netscape, it didnt like the frames the way they were and was unable to fix it.. I have had the same problem at work.. trying to get frames to line up, and it has NOT been very much fun..... Basically with frames, netscape currently only supports HTML 3.2 while IE is fully complient with 4.0 and adds a couple other extensions in there also... I have nothing against netscape, I used to use them relegiously, until the quility of IE increased to a point that there wasnt much point in using NS anymore.. Darrin