For any more CL folks checking this thread... ditto leather-guy's comments. Poser is an amazing product, getting more amazing by the year. The features in v. 5 are almost scary, so much flexibility and power. I do think Curious Labs is a model for how a company can support its users, grow as a company (I hope the financial situation is good), and put out an excellent product at the same time. As we all know way, these are three different things, and way too many companies get only 1 or two of these right. So, Cheers. G