lol :) here's another little bit of poser trivia I picked up earlier, poser 4.03 was announced on 24th July 2000 and released 18th September 2000 8 weeks later, not confirmed for this time but 5-8 weeks would suggest to me around then for a release, they seem to like those dates, maybe it's kupa's or Emaleth's birthday or 1 of their kids. Rob