I think hoss69 is on the mark re: MSRP, and I bet his street prices guesses are pretty close. Another prediction: P5 will increase the gap between the folks who really know Poser's features and potential inside and out, and those like me who don't know/need to know or simply don't take the time to learn about the more arcane but powerful stuff. Looking at those new screenshots I thought, wow, there's gonna be some serious experts on strands or that face machine or whatever. That's not a good or bad thing, just an inevitable result of more powerful, complex features. G