Personally, in the graphics end of software, I've noticed that the MSRP has tended more and more to be the actual price. I always counted before on catalog discounts to but my PS plugins on the cheap, but they seem to be disappearing. I would rather anticipate a "limited time" reeeeellly good price on an upgrade. Although the incentive upgrades often wait about a month to kick in. I don't have Pro Pack so I'll be biting it, I guess. The biggest problem getting new people in is there is no comparative program to do a "sidegrade" from. Although I seem to remember buying Poser 3 or 4 from a Bryce sidegrade. Emily