This whole thread reminds me of the buzz over Star Wars, Episode 1. Everyone was so excited to hear there was going to be another Star Wars, and there was so much speculation that when the movie finally came out, EVERYONE was disappointed in it (it wasn't a great movie, but I'm not going to open that can of worms). The point is, there was so much anticipation I don't think it could have lived up to expectations even if it was brilliant. So, regarding Poser 5, I'm not going to anticipate. I'm just going to wait and see what happens when it comes out. Every new product promises to be revolutionary; the proof will be in the usage. I don't think P5 will be the cause of too much division; I've been a member of this site since '98 and haven't seen any pissing contests yet (maybe I'm standing under the wrong balcony). As far as the price goes, while $500+ is not exactly lunch money, I don't think it's too much for the average middle class person. I know plenty of people who thought nothing of paying that and more for PhotoShop, despite the fact that Paint Shop Pro nowadays is comparable. There are rendering packages out there that sell for thousands of dollars, not hundreds. And remember, we don't know what we'll be getting for that price. Maybe it'll come on five CDs with lots of tutorials and models and stuff. But there, see, I'm anticipating, and I shouldn't do that. And maybe it won't sell for $500 after all; we gotta wait and see. To quote from SHANE: "Someone's comin', Pa." "Well, let him come."