(cackles!) Seriously, you guys made my day, that's why I come here and annoy the uc out of everyone! I'm not quite as O.G. as you folks, though, my first experience was with the TRS-80 and my "prime" was during the reign of the C-64. Doodle, man. Doodle. 16 colors! PIXEL LEVEL ZOOM! I remember Corel Paint, on the Amiga, the first version. I was astounded by the bit depth, I think it was 8-bit color! So when I heard Corel bought Bryce from Metacreations I almost expected a C-64 version...! (or at least a C-128 version...ah, the 1571 was a beauty, wasn't it?) Wind Lab, Plant Lab, Creature Lab, whatever they do I hope somebody remembers that the Unreal Engine is quickly approaching Bryce for power and that maybe it's time to include game-quality preview acceleration. Ahh... to dream! (p.s., if anyone thinks I'm using commas too often, please tell me now...) (grins)