Starlet I also appreciate all the improvements and hard work- a great program getting better! I've met SteveCooper and the original creator of Poser1 (arrggh. I only remember that he has a beard and appears in the credits). I remember Steve showing a high degree of enthusiasm and I imagine that must be a common factor-amidst all the frustration in making such a complex program! Of course I might be biased cause Steve liked my artwork... :-) I am also jealous since you are in Capitola/Santa Cruz and I had to move AWAY from there about the time you guys moved in. If you have not been to the O'mei on Mission (Santa Cruz) or the Paradise Grill for blackened Ahi- I recommend that. Fortunately, I am still close enough for weeked forays. Keep up the good work and I look forward to Poser5!