Yeah I'm sorry for teasing you like that. I thought it might be helpful still ... I do have Cinema 4D 5 (the one that was givin out in a magazine.) and here's an idea if you don't like doing the booleans. once you have the "bars, struts" built (like was shown in the video) couldn't you make splines that followed the struts and then Loft them? I haven't used cinema much so this might not even make sense hehehe Steve