Aye, BryceTech, it was a goad, you know a tactic to get you to say something! I have no ill-will towards you, nor meant any by any of this. I was just uncertain, and I'm stuck with Win 98 for now so it actually affects me or whatever. As the alleged "weeny-of-the-first-part" and a longtime overt enemy of Microsoft, and having just now got my LAN setup (gonna try Lightning out tonight), I am as bitter towards Corel as anyone could be, who doesn't know them personally. Damnit more commas. Bikermouse, all I did was snapshot Virtual Desktop from Hyper-Snap DX4, a silly little app I found on Cnet, then clip his comments in Photoshop, then into Bryce for the rest... Since our messages are white text on black here at Renderosity, the heightmapping was already done, so I just clipped the lower limit in the Terrain Editor and bang! ....(pauses without a comma somehow).... You guys rock, I'll see you in Lightwave Bryce Tech, it's not TOO bad I hear! (cackles)