thank you shadowdragonlord, sorry if I came off a bit harsh. Im a 'big bang for a small buck' kinda person. Not just for me, but for anyone. Bryce was one of the first really cool programs that was inexpensive and let everyone get all excited over creating 3d images on their computer. Bryce's image quality is still (imo) the best of any out there even at its slower render speed and somewhat quirky interface. I dont want to let it go, but I will if I must and probably will turn my attention to another 'big bang for the buck app'. The early favorite would be carrara. :) BT