hi bloodsong, i am using the steph model in 3d max (with bones). it took some time to set it up with all morphs and joints, so it would be too much work to redo this with the stephvskin. maybe you know how to apply the vskin uvmap in 3d max or maybe it is possible to convert the texture itself? sorry i am not an expert on this... ;) i couldnt find the map at the penguin bar, is it somewere within a texture pack? thanks leyla