have you tried the mask render? it's definitely worth exploring and works perfectly for what you're trying to do... if you're not sure exactly what it is, give me a write and I'll try to explain it: t_behrens@hotmail.com There's a good tutorial at this address as well: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Program/3093/tutor/bryce/mask.html Take care, Tim (heyjoe225)