Wolf, I'll be really interested to here your comments after Poser 5 is released to see if you still recommend using Cinema to do your renders. I have been seriously thinking about getting Cinema for just that reason, but if Poser's renderer is much improved, I wonder if it will be worth the hassle of porting over to Cinema still? BTW, the list of features does not include it, but that necessarily mean it will not be included in the final release. Where do we write for P5 feature suggestions? -Tim