Thanks for the advice. EricofSD-loved your link, D/L'd the stuff. Will take a lot of work to get the hang of Metasequoia but it seems like it could be a lot of fun. I will need more time to check out the others mentioned above. I can't do any trials yet. I work two jobs and would run out of the 30 days long before I got to try them. The ecomonomy out here sucks. Anyhow, I guess I just have one more question that I'm too embarassed to ask in the 3DS forum. That is where is the 3DS MAX website? I did a web search and came up with nothing. I'd like to find out if they have a student price and what they cost etc. But, I know nothing about 3DS and when I looked in that forum, I didn't come across a link. Sometimes, I can look right at something and not see it so if it's there just tell me I'm having another senior moment and I'll go back and look again. Thanks again for the help. Ang25