To some degree I agree with many of your points. Many bugs WERE fixed when CL took over P4, but there are just as many remaining. There are also some really bad things still in it, the library system and dials as you mentioned, and other such things. And while I appreciate their efforts in making the PP and trying to appeal to a larger audience with the program by allowing it to interface, to some degree, with other programs, I agree that other changes could have been made. However, I'm guessing the reason most of us, myself included, are so eagerly anticipating P5 is because we've simply given up on P4 being fixed. While I rarely have problems with it, aside from stupid interface things (again, the library, dials, boring old way of applying textures (yes, I use MAT files and make my own, but you have to start somewhere), somewhat clunky lights, annoying magnets (some people love these, I'm STILL trying to figure them out after a couple years), many other people do have problems with it. Whether it locks up, gives them corrupted renders, etc, they do have problems, but I'm willing to bet there's problems with the OS somewhere as well (I've been using computers since I was 5, and I know quite well how Windows works (I won't even begin to say I know what the Mac users are experiencing), so I know when it's doing really stupid things it's probably Windows causing the problem, or a bad driver/hardware, and not necessarily the program). So, what does all of this (and my asides) have to do with drooling for P5 now? Well, I at least got sick of things not being fixed and am being optomistic about P5. I know P4 isn't going to be patched again, or at least if it is, it'll get no new/updated features. They spent their time on AL (I've not seen an avatar as well, and I've been on this internet thing since 1991 or so), and well, I think it was just TOO niche. Now they're spending time on P5 (and have been as well), and they essentially left very little time for P4 to be fixed, or the PP. Sure, there's service releases for the PP, but those mostly address problems with PP itself, so that means the last patch, for just regular Poser stuff, was years ago. So yes, I'm looking forward to P5, raised price or not. It may just mean the difference between getting it when it's released or waiting a few more months, especially since money is tight right now, but I've been setting aside what little I can. So, I sort of agree, but I think maybe you doubt the power of cynicism with respect to an antiquated program, and blind hope toward one that hasn't been released yet.