I'm sure that most people who use poser intensively would agree with some of your points, but certainly not all. 1) multiplying magnets - I've never had that one 2) the magnets themselves (awful to work with) - probably the best Metacreations could do with the technology of that time. 2) jumping cameras - Never had that one. 3) memory leaks and computer lock ups - Partly the fault of poser for not having memory management, but partly windows too. 4) terrible texture handling - I tend to agree 5) crosstalk - see below 6) horrible, antiquated "library" (file) system - Yep! 8) impossible-to-read dial lables - Yep! 9) mysterious, unmoveable "window-in-the-upper-left-corner" - generally due to poser crashing and not maintaining the user's defaults - True again Crosstalk - This has been mentioned several times in this thread. I'd like to point out that crosstalk is nothing to do with either Metacreations or CL. It's an unfortunate by-product of advances made by the users themselves (specifically Charles 'Nerd' Taylor and Robert Whisenet), when they invented ERC. Crosstalk may be a pain, but don't blame CL for it. Post #7 - William - You're WAY off with a $300 estimate for an upgrade. Half that and you'll be nearer. How do I know? I read the posts. mac