I've been using Poser since The old pre-MetaCreations version 1. I recall calling Fractal Design (I think it was called) every few months about how soon "that computer mannequin program" was going to be finally released after I read about it in a computer magazine. They missed their first announced release date by over a year, as I recall. Ditto with Poser 2, Poser 3, & Poser 4. Through several company name-changes one thing remained constant - about a year's lag-time between the announced release and the actual first sale. Now Curious Labs has inherited the "mantle" of poser - their first product (that I heard of) was a free upgrade to V4.03. This was free to customers who had never even purchased a CL-branded product! To generate profit to keep afloat, they released a small selection of specialized niche products, but they had enough class to avoid going for the easy money of a commercial "upgrade" of cobbled-together fixes and buggy enhancements as a Poser 4.5 upgrade or whatever. Sure, we haven't been coddled along with a dribble of upgrades & fixes since 4.03, but we haven't had to pay CL for anything thru this period either. ProPak expands SOME of P4's capabilities, but it's never been marketed as a "Must-Have" for all Poser users. They've never made any attempt to charge any kind of licensing free to anyone who wanted to make Poser add-ons, characters, utilities, etc. They don't want anyone to use the word "Poser" in anyone else's actual product NAME, but that's mainly to protect their trademark. I don't blame them on being close-mouthed about the development of Poser 5, the pricing, or any other details of their business. It's their business. Literally. Members of this and other Poser online communities have demonstrated absolutely no restraint in subjecting every comment by or rumor about CL's progress or intentions to the most inane and laborious scrutiny, debate, mis-interpretation, rants, and interminable debates. Every time a CL employee has attempted to share any information with us, someone has managed to find a word, inflection, punctuation or just an omission regarding some pet wishlist item to pounce on. Most such attempts to share info have turned into such donnybrooks, that I'm surprised they ever post here at all. I like Poser 4. It has it's flaws, bugs, and peculiarities, but it's powerful and easy enough to use that I can do things I honestly never dreamed of doing even 5 years ago. Enough other people find it useful to create the most active and vocal online software communities this side of Microsoft. By the way, my biggest concern with P5 is a tremendous curiosity regarding the library subsystem as well - most of my biggest problems with Poser are caused by the current limitations there. ...Just my 2 cents worth - opposing views expected and encouraged... Cheers!