Yup, you'll find some strong support here for CL. We remember the nasty and steadily worsening situation Steve's team was in at MetaCreations. How they supported Willow setting up the first Poser mailing list/community and gave us as much help as they could. Then the mass firing and long uncertainty while Poser was up for sale. Meanwhile Larry put the patch up at his personal site, so folks could get it. And as I recall, used his rights as original creator to put the brakes on at least one deal that would have dumped Poser into another unsupportive environment. Sure, we would have liked another patch, or an earlier P5, but we know what a struggle it's been. So, yes, I'd like to see the good guys win big - but most of all I'm hoping to get a damn wonderful Poser 5. And Poser 6 and...