Well said, Leather-guy:) Poser 4 may have its bugs, but what app doesn't? Keep in mind that P5 will be the first version where Curious Labs has really gotten to do what they wanted to it. In my opinion, P5 looks like a quantum leap over P4, and I don't think the price is bad at all, given what they're offering. If you don't agree, don't buy it. But I'm sure as hell going to snatch it up as soon as I can afford it. And yeah, it may take me a while, I'm sure as hell not "well-off", but I have no problem with paying a fair price for a great product, and P5 looks damned great to my eyes. I also think the folks at Curious Labs are pretty damn cool. They don't HAVE to post here at all, you know, especially since every friggin' word they say gets picked apart and analyzed like it came from the mouth of God himself. Get a life, people. It's just a damn piece of software. If you feel so strongly that Curious Labs are treating you so unfairly, then by all means take your money to the competition. Maxon just announced Cinema 4D 8, and it looks to be moving closer and closer to Poser in the character animation arena. Costs more, though, and still lacks Poser basics like conforming clothing, I believe. And then there's Messiah:Animate, which is supposedly similar to Poser, although I'm willing to bet that it lacks some of those basics we take for granted, too (does ANY other app do conforming clothing? Lightwave? 3DS Max?), and costs a hell of a lot more. Way too much for me to even care what it can do. It's far beyond my feeble budget. BTW, I've seen Kupa around a lot, and not just in Poser-oriented threads. He's very obviously not just here on business. He's far more of a member of this community than you might think. Moreso than the folks at most of the other companies, believe me. And to me, that says a lot about his character. So no flame here, just a suggestion that you give your hostility a rest and take a look at the big picture. We wouldn't be so eager to give them our money if they weren't providing something we want badly. I don't think anyone is going to be disappointed when they get their hands on P5. PS: "Material Editor???? How many asked for that?" Funny you should ask, since my biggest gripe about P4 is its absolutely pathetic material editor...