wizardofGauze, I have signed the NDA... the second time I saw the program in action... but if you believe that it makes my remarks less credible, you had better think again. It keeps me from talking about things which might hurt their business relationships. As a developer, I know how wide a net those can cover, and how fragile. No piece of paper will force me to lie, or say something which I don't believe to be true... and the absence of a signature will not loosen my tongue or reveal me to me less than trustworthy. That said, the work on AvatarLab and ProPack wasn't a derailment at all. Look at the screenshots. Those features coming in Poser 5 are features that we, the community, have wanted and have asked for. If you had spent time as an active member here, you could have made your wishes known, too. It is a trifle late to be complaining now, however, you do have the right and ability to complain until Poser 6 comes out. We'll be happily making images while you sit and fume. Does Poser 5 have everything I want? No. But that will give me something to anticipate in the next release. Carolly