I've had Poser since version 1 in 1996, and I've followed this situation as much as possible. I've been very impressed with kupa, and anyone from Curious Labs who's taken the time to post here, and talk to us. Kupa did a wonderful thing by showing a preview of Poser 5. This is Curious Lab's chance to show us a superb product, designed from scratch. CL has been doing the best they can with what they have. Someone has to pay the bills and wages to employees. CL needs to keep in business so we can continue to enjoy Poser. Now I just hope I can afford the upgrade price.