I read that thread just now. The usual OS wars stuff. The lead post does not apply to me. If I were implementing an office system for 40 people, or, or, or, or.... I'm concentrating on what is best for my situation, my budget, my level of hackerness, and my need: get the one best Poser platform at lowest cost. Now if you tell me that the P5 will beat the pants off my proposed AMD system, that it will be really really avail. within a few weeks, that the price is within $800 of the AMD system, and that the "3D tools only for Win" problem has been solved, I am all ears. See, I'm even willing to pay more for a Mac, even now. ::::: Opera :::::