Carolly, I'm sorry about the NDA crack, it was uncalled for. Actually, I never trashed another kids coloring book either. I guess my real problem with CL, and you guys is twofold: Point 1. I firmly believe CL could have easily fixed the problems with P4 but purposely held back. Why? Well, if the hobbiests had a well-working, up-to-date Poser 4, they might not buy Poser 5. (This isn't about me, I'd buy P5--if it works--for the new features because I'll use them.) Point 2. I also firmly believe that the acquiescent attitude here convinced CL that they could get away with Point 1. Kendra, no, I'm usually very optimistic on matters. But three years of P4 with no attempt from its owners to try to fix it, makes me skeptical of anything CL does. Leather-guy and everyone else gushing over the on-coming Poser 5: You've all waved the flag of "give them time, let them make it right" for a year now and I'm right with you on that. I hope it's bug-free (major bugs anyway) and works on 98% of the machines out there. But given CL's track record with Poser 4, do you really trust them to fix 5 if there is anything wrong with it? Or will we get, "Sorry, no time, working on Poser 6."?