Hi Chuck, I suppose I am a lot like you in this respect. I spend more time here, reading the posts then actually doing any renders, but I also enjoy the heck out of it. (: For me, no-one I know, that is, people whom I work with or talk to everyday, does any kind of digital art stuff, other then web-sites, and don't have a clue what Poser is. Who else can I turn to but the people on these forums? Now, as far as the bee pictures being art?.........I still have to think on that one, but they are Really, really, FUN, so who cares if it is art or not! (: genny