Errrp? I hadn't meant them as bribes, I just thought, considering the stuff you've been sharing, that those were the two things that would have the biggest impact on your own art. I have them both, and they're great! I only got the 3D env one a couple of days ago, so haven't done anything worth posting, yet. But I really love the Nerd's Fog! The only two renders in my gallery right now used it, and it added SO MUCH! You've already been so generous to so many of us! Thanks again! ...Does Renderosity Ebot you about gifts & who "sent" them? From your first post I didn't think they told you who...