Thanks for clearing up the date issue, you don't have one yet. As for the upgrade price and other details, you either don't know them or you just aren't saying. AFter all, you ARE the boss aren't you? Waiting for a web site revamp is just another lame excuse. (sorry for being so blunt, but you got off easy compared to that car dealer.) And for all the flag-wavers who like to blame Windows for Poser lockups... another BS excuse. I've read more than a few times in this forum statements like "Poser is the only program that does this," and "...it only happens with Poser." And that's been my experience as well. I can have several memory & cpu intensive programs running and not have a hiccup. Poser could be running by itself and freeze. So please stop blaming Microsoft, they're innocent on this one.