I was trying to say I'm dropping it & retracting all my statements, I've read too much into what happened as usual, penguin what you did was only right considering what was going on, you can't let your server be used as a staging ground for attacks on other sites or you're the one who gets it in the neck. kai don't leave because of this, I'm sure the mods & admins do care & they try to stop flame wars from starting as much as possible. Rob