I am sure this is a moot point and I am sure it has been brought up many times before, but, here goes. Back in the day when Intel computer processors were known by their numbers, 386, 486, et al, AMD released their own versions of the 486 CPU and set off a large legal proceding in which Intel claimed trademark infringement. The case went on and on, and when it was all over, a judge rules that it is NOT possible to put a copyright on a number. This decision caused the creation of the processor known as the Pentium. Lights, Poses, and damned near everything else in Poser is a dial setting or a number value. You CANNOT set the "pregnant" dial of Vicky2 to .275 and then claim a copyright to that dial setting. There is no court in the world that would uphold that. The thing is with lights and poses (especially poses) is that while it is nice to be able to download these items created by someone else to save us time, the items could easily be recreated inside of Poser by almost anyone else. Textures are another story, of course. I'm tired. I'm serving on a jury trying a very emotional case. Horrible stuff. Im also trying to prepare 10 AUTOCAD classrooms for the fall semester which starts in 3 weeks AND admininster the Merit internet accounts provided to our faculty in staff. On top of that I've got 5 children that I adore wanting as much of my time as possible. I'm not in the greatest of moods as you can imagine. So forgive me if I state that the whole thing is just tough shit on everyone's part. Get over it, grow up, move on. Create something other than a fuss. Even better, go rent the movie "Life Is Beautiful", watch it, and then tell me you have something to gripe about. ((Wanders off to the corner, fires up his BS Detector and tries to catch some sleep before the IM's start rolling in))