"In the hands of skilled morph technicians, Vicky can do great things indeed." Yep! but so can Posette, case in point - starting from Fredrick (p3 days) and continued with Yamato and all his characters new joint parameters with less breakage than Vicki. Staale's bodymorpher can shape her into almost all Vicky 2 types, and Traveler's morphs that we older members collected almost religiously have never been matched in quality and quantity :) They're now available on his CD and can do things to Posette you've never imagined. AprilYSH's remapping allows her to take Vicki maps. Count me in as one of the hardcore users of Posette but also use Vicki, it depends on what I want her wearing, since I can work with both equally well and since I'm not into animation and thus can postwork flaws. BUT, my fully decked out Posette with real eyes, morphing brow props, lash props, collection of morphs etc weighs in at 57MB!!! And like someone pointed out in an earlier thread, he's seen Poser 3 users with PSP turning out better art than Poser 4, Max, Photoshop combined, so it's not about WHAT you have but HOW you work with it :)