Common thread on the Poser Forum... Different name, same wine... pass the cheese. Ron, it is unfortunate, because I really believe that you have some potential and you HAVE already provided some excellent resources to the Poser community with your tutorials, but it seems that you continuously need to chimne into almost every thread and whine over some issue that is important ONLY TO YOU. Perhaps if you confined your "questions" and "complaints' to on topic threads, instead of "shot gunning" them into every thread like a selfish child, you would get more respect and less attitute. Flame me if you will, I truely intend this as constructive critisism! Oh, very sorry to continue to drag this thread off topic! I'll be quiet now. mike