Ron, I meant the "selfish child" analog in the same vein as your "crusty waitress" reference. What I intended to illustrate to you was that you tend to continue to try and make your "point" by introducing it into every available conversation, like a "selfish child", ie one who is only concerned with his or her own point of view to the exclusion and interruption of any other. I honestly didn't and don't expect you to understand this, because in you point of view, I am "attacking" you with my words. Meanwhile, also in your point of view, anything you say should be perfectly acceptable, becaus YOU said it, again illustrating my comparrison. Enough! As in all of these types of discussion, you see critisim as an attack and totally fail to heed it's actual intent. I have better uses for my time. mike