{{I did bring out other concerns or problems with Dina and Vina.. of course they don't seem to be a priority compared to "conspiracy theories.}} Ron, I've asked you 3 or 4 times. What problems exactly are you having? You haven't answered. You've just made vague statements about MAT files not working, eyelashes not showing and Dina not installing properly. And repeatedly used an obviously flawed texture to imply that there is something wrong with Vina. WHAT isn't wokring on the MAT files? HOW is Dina not installing properly? The VISE installer has seemed to work pretty well for everyone else. Did you try what I asked you with the eyelashes? Dan or I will be happy to help you if you really want answers to your questions, but I don't get the feeling that you really do want answers. You just keep skipping from thread to thread asking the same questions and making that same vague compaints about Vina. Again, if you REALLY want help, write to me. I'll be glad to try to help you solve any problems you might have with our products. If you like, I'll even call you and walk you through installation. DTHUREGRIF@aol.com Hey, Sassie. I'd say we're about 1/2 way with the male, but not close enough to give a release date yet.