Kupa, no worries. I all too often get DAZ and Curious Labs mixed up. I mean both companies are an integral part of the Poser experience. So our Poser males will still need to lose their genitals in order to keep them from popping out of their pants. I'd always figured that makes men look less "real." After all doesn't a man usually have some sort of "evidence" of the "package" that is under the pants? oooopps