Nance, you are right, the person resposnable isn't very good at it. I can think of six ways off the top of my head to hide such a file and get it past a firewall. good thing I have no use for doing it huh? don't like windows, but I would rather shut m$ down than go after someone's pc, give people a better choice for an os than winblows and get the business away from M$ to shut them down, seems the best way to get rid of lousy gui to me.