Double posted with bear....Jackson...much of what Ironbear says is true...and makes total sense....that is why if a book was ever written on the history...it could NEVER be done by only one...that would be so very unfair... But I do beg to differ on one aspect...the C&D...although there was incredible history there...on many things...I believe the C&D was more...or less...a "thrashing" ground...more like a scratching post...like when a baby screams and screams and screams...we all know there is a reason...but the "scream" itself is only a telltale sign...a part of the puzzle of why the baby is screaming... C&D was NOT the end all to be all...nope...nope...nope...but....it "was" indeed "entertaining" as "hell"....;-) Good day to ya's...