hi gang, thanks for all the replys.... but as for now I'll be off of vue for sometime, I was trying to cranck the antialiesing but it didn't work, I need to produce images in high res for printing and vue will only due it with the standard anti alias and that's not good enough, maybe it's my old copy but right now I don't really have the time to do it...anyhow thanks a lot for the tips and answers and I'm glad you guys like the images.... and rimkopf msg me in private so we can see about the tree.... thanks guys.... yours vince