(Sigh.) No Bryce. No have! But these are XLent bits of advice, which will appear when I replace this image. No carpet, Poser Ground. I like the idea of kicking up some dust tho. Some pose tweaking for spearman is also in order - I like the other one OK, but you're right about spearman. BTW, this raw effort took about 45 minutes. I will try to keep a running total for each iteration. Thanx!