Bikermouse: Yup I realized it was more of a poserquestion, and posted it there with result allready o/ Cant wait to get home and get to rendering. sorry for the spam (though i like to spam :-) ) I am still going to check the free stuff, never can have enough, thanks for the link. Eric: ouch ... try from a balloon ... much safer Bryster: I raise my mug to you, cheers! take care! Zigster