Manual? What's that then? :P I never read manuals except to find the stuff they never put in them. It's like the help in XP, I always end up at the page where they tell you consult your local sysadmin. I was especially amused after buying the MS press book on XP for admins when it told me that the answer to my question was out of scope of the book, perhaps I should consult a professional. :) Jaundiced? Me? Never... :) later jb