Manual - I laways read the 'What's New' section, then install. The LAST thing I'll do is unistall Poser 4 - I'm a firm believer in having something that works, as a backup. I'll have both, parallel on different harddisks. I'll copy over the whole content of my runtime folder to the new P5 installation, all 14 gig of it. Poser4 has it's own private 63 GB partition, I'll need another one the same real soon! And then - I'll re-render all my old stuff, and go 'OOOOOOOOOHHHH' as I watch the the lights and the reflections and everything blow me away!! And then - I'll not sleep for a long, long time....... play, play, play! Praxis - yeah, I have that problem all the time - it's always the one bit that didn't make it into print is what you need. Hope there is an advanced manual in the works - the 'Poser 3 Advanced Techniques Guide' is getting a bit long in the tooth. I mean, a manual that does the hierarchy editor, the joints, conforming, cr2 files, all the fun stuff! :] FishNose