Oh, I'm not saying terragen is the bomb, not at all. Until the program can progress to import, etc, its pretty much a background maker. I do like the renders in terragen though (for what it does). The renders are far more realistic than Bryce, but hey, Bryce does much more. Now, Universe and the EI Animator are rather interesting. I think the interface is similar to LW and even though LW is a better package to use with Poser, consider the $200 price tag on Universe 2.9 (bundled with animator 2.9 and amorphium pro 1.2) compared to the price that comes with LW. I guess what I'm saying is that my purist die hard bryce days are starting to crack a bit.