Shadowdragonlord are you scotish by any chance cause your comments always start with Aye. Terragen does one thing and it does it well but anything you do looks good.Whats the point?. All the tools are there , in bryce, to make wonderful images but there is no point in using it as a purely landscapes. The closer the tools we have (bryce,lightwave etc) get to photorealism the easier it becomes and hence defeats the object somewhat. My whole point with this thread was that I have no need to upgrade to B5 or perhaps B6 just to make things easier for me.I want to let my imagination dictate the tools I NEED rather than corel telling me I need something. Having got that of my chest I shall leave you all in peace thanks Mark